Jim Cole Has Got To Go!

[admin]

We want to know why you think Jim Cole has got to go! Don't hold back, let us know what you think about Mr. Cole!

If we have enough reasons maybe we can print them on a flyer and mail a couple of hundred to residents in Neosho why Jim has got to go, sponsored by NeoshoForums.com?

[Scutter]

I have made no secret of the fact that I think Mister Cole needs to be replaced. I have a list of reasons which have been freely stated in many threads upon the board, however, I think I will let some other members speak here at this time. I will only remind everyone of Jim's own words when he was asked about us, "I find them irritating and unnecessarily negative."

Originally posted by Scutter
I have made no secret of the fact that I think Mister Cole needs to be replaced. I have a list of reasons which have been freely stated in many threads upon the board, however, I think I will let some other members speak here at this time. I will only remind everyone of Jim's own words when he was asked about us, "I find them irritating and unnecessarily negative."

Scutter, now how would 'ol Jim Cole know if the NF is irritating and negative? I thought they(city admin) didn't read the NF. Okay sure , now tell me another one. I, too, heard the many comments leveled at him on KBTN the other day.....apparently,as it stands, there are more citizens concerned about the direction of Neosho than realized. It definitely looks like there will be a change. I believe that the change is just in sight.

[Scutter]

Tincan, if you remember that statement was quoted in the Joplin Globe right after Admin came out with the web site on the deplorable and unsafe conditions of our city parks and Jim was trying to find a way to keep from being totally shamed by that revelation. I guess that one reason that I want him gone is because he did not accept any responsibility but, rather, choose to lie about this plan that the city had been working on for several years and just had not implemented yet. In fact, I doubt that anything would have been done, had not the Neosho Daily News done an article on the parks after seeing out web site. Come to think of it, I understand that one of the restrooms in Big Spring Park still does not work.

[BEFAIR]

I HEARD THAT THE BURR CROSSING AND INDUSTRIAL CROSSING WERE CLOSING.
THIS GIRL THE OTHER DAY SAID THAT THE CITY WAS BUYING THE TWO FARMS AND HOMES, JUST SOUTH OF PINEVILLE RD AND LANDIS ROAD INTERSECTION SO THEY COULD PLACE A ROAD JUST WEST OF THE TRACKS.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE NEED TO SPEND SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS TO GO 1/2 MILE. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE A PUBLIC OFFICIAL MADE A STATEMENT TO THE PRESS THAT WE NEED THIS 1/2 CENT TAX INCREASE TO SAVE THE CROSSINGS AND STREETS.
I GUESS SOMEONE? FORGOT TO INFORM HIM THAT THEY ARE ALREADY PLANNING THE CLOSING OF 2 CROSSINGS AND HAVE ALREADY PURCHASED THE LAND AND HOMES. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS TRUE BUT I WAS TOLD THE LAND HAS ALREADY BEEN SURVEYED. I DROVE BY AND SEEN SURVEY RIBBONS AND STAKES?
HAS ANYONE HEARD ABOUT THIS???:confused:

[Scutter]

Of course we have Befair, that discussion is on the Real Estate section. For some reason this city wants to engage in private business and now it looks like a sub division is in our future.

[BEFAIR]

WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN OUR AREA SINCE ALL WE HAVE TO OFFER IS $5.15 AN HOUR JOBS OPEN. AND THEY ARE HARD TO FIND:(

[Scutter]

It seems to me that was what Bond/Betts wanted to do, however, the City did not want to rezone that tract for the purpose and that fiasco ended up costing us tax payers three quarters of a million dollars. Funny thing is, that property is adjacent to the place where all the survey stakes are now.

[Scutter]

In the latest abuse of power, City Manager Jim Cole has ordered that the American Legion be locked out of the Armory. Last I heard the Legion's name was on the deed to that property not the City of Neosho's. In a sweetheart deal between Cole and Kevin Wilson, the City is trying to steal the property with the help of the state but I suspect this will just end in yet another lawsuit against the City. In a quote from today's newspaper, "We did change the locks, but we told them that they needed to either move back upstairs or move out of the police building." In the best words I can think of, and this is a quote from me, "Jim Cole you can go to hell."

[stevecox]

If people think Jim Cole must go, then... come on, be reasonable. We must find a place for him. My motion is for him to take over as city manager of.... Cole Camp.

[Scutter]

Why should we find a place for him Steve. He never gave any thought to the people he fired and they were doing a lot better job than he is. Of course you are aware that Jim Cole does not have the qualifications to be a City Manager anywhere but in Neosho.

[stevecox]

Fired people? That were doing better than he? Did he go to the Dave Winegardner school?

[Scutter]

You remember the impression of Ann that you conveyed to us Steve? I would say that description fits Jim Cole pretty damn close.

[stevecox]

Oh Lord! I remember Jim Cole, I think he was the city clerk when I was newsguy. Never said too much, but he had an air about him. To compare him with Ann Winegardner! Oh no! What a slap in the face to Jim Cole! Ann was the phoniest, the most hateful, and the rudest person I have ever met.

[Scutter]

I stand by the comparison Steve, Jim is just a little slicker, sucks up a bit more and is a hell of a lot more devious.

[stevecox]

I will never forget Ann's facial expressions when a potential or existing advertiser would walk through the door. She always maintained such a sour expression but would visibly, if not forcibly, change that expression when someone with money walked through the door. It was as if a transformation took place. She went from being downright hateful to bubbly and happy.... the transformation that would last as long as the money guy was in the building. Then it was like Cinderella after midnight.

[Scutter]

This guy ain't quite that bad Steve, however, it is just that he does not have time for the little guy and is very prone to not care about a problem unless it involves one of the town's elite. For the elite he will do anything but for the average citizen nothing. As a matter of fact I am damned if I can figure out what he does do all day.

[stevecox]

You know, my memories of Neosho remind me that he is pretty typical of a lot of the people. There were two classes, and they had pretty strict boundaries.

[Scutter]

There still are Steve. The elitists and us peasants and that damned golf course is the best example of that division that I can think of. It is a country club in everything but name but the funding is from the public coffers.

[stevecox]

I just cannot understand that golf course thing. Especially, paying someone so much to run it, and letting the potholes take over the city.

[Scutter]

We don't understand it either Steve, except that the elite dictate where the money is wasted here and they could care less about the streets if the golf course needs money thrown at it. The sad thing is that a great deal of the money spent at the golf course is because of negligent groundskeeping (irrigation system failure) or because somebody does not know how to rotate a fleet of golf carts. In short the golf course has become the symbol of the division in town and we will never pull together until the damn thing is sold or leased to a private company.

[stevecox]

I know they don't really advertise the golf course. At least, not where I can see.

[Scutter]

Sure they do. The city council just gave Randy twenty thousand dollars to advertise the place on KBTN.

[stevecox]

Oh. Preach to the choir. And, a pretty small choir at that. Wanna hear my new song?

[Scutter]

Of course.

[HughC]

Well, Jim Cole must go huh? Guess I'm going to have to agree once again with the consensus of the forum members.
The man obviously has no intentions of taking care of the really basic needs of the city. His priorities seem to be somewhat askewed and possibly concentrated on the wishes of the few, so called "elite" members of the community.

So I join the few, the obviously above par, intelligent people here on the forum, in calling on the city council to sack him. He's made no effort to address any of the really important issues discussed here and for that, he needs to move on.

[stevecox]

I say this for Neosho, as well as any community. Change is good. A person who has been in the same position for a long time can grow stale. Its time for him to move on and let some fresh blood take over.

[admin]

Great point Steve, does anyone know just how long ole Cole has been City Manager?

[stevecox]

I think it's been since 1990... give or take a couple of years.

[Scutter]

Whatever it is, he has been there a decade too long in my humble opinion.

[stevecox]

I think Cole took office just after Steve Beck was canned in the Chief George Kelly fiasco.

[Scutter]

Well unlike Steve Beck, Jim Cole has survived disaster after disaster and always managed to spin it so that he was never at fault. I really believe the guy has been coasting for years and I really object to paying him for not doing his job.

[stevecox]

Steve Beck would probably still be there if Yours Truly hadn't opened his big mouth.

[Scutter]

So we can blame you for us having Jim Cole huh? Damnit Steve, why didn't you just keep your mouth shut. At least with Beck you could drive to town without having to get an alignment every trip, the parks were in decent shape, the city was fiscally sound and we had decent city provided trash service. All in all, in spite of Beck's failings, he was a hell of a lot better than what we got when he left.

[stevecox]

It was a weak moment when I actually believed that when you get rid of someone who is not getting the job done, you go after someone better. I am not the starry-eyed youth that once believed that.... Neosho cured me of that in more ways than one.

[Scutter]

At least you recognized Neosho as a lost cause and left Steve, while some of us just have not been that smart.

[stevecox]

Actually, I don't think Neosho is a lost cause. There are alot of really nice and wonderful people there. It's just that for me, the weight of the really unhappy miserable people was much more difficult to bear. I have lots of great memories of Neosho. Unfortunately, I have lots of very bitter memories as well.

[Scutter]

I guess we haven't completely given up on Neosho either Steve, or else we would not still be investing our time and money in the forums trying to effect some changes here.

[stevecox]

I am just thankful that this forum came along.... now, my only hope is that someone who knew me then will say "Oh, THAT's what happened".

[Scutter]

A lot of us are thankful that this forum came along Steve. Prior to the board there were a number of us who were upset at the direction the town was taking but generally we felt that nobody cared so we kept our mouths shut on the subject. Then along comes this kid with an idea and all of a sudden we all realized that we were not alone, there actually were other folks out there that were thinking the same things we were. It was a Godsend and I can't praise Admin enough for having the inspiration to put up the board and the courage to keep it up under intense pressure to take it down.

[stevecox]

Sometime, I would like to hear about the flack he received, plus the kudoes, for giving you this forum. I can imagine that the powers that be claim they have never heard of it, but often read it. I also would be willing to wager that many of the people I have talked about here, including and especially Dave, already have read what I have to say. I hope I am a ghost to him that has returned to haunt. Thanks, Admin, for giving me that chance.

[Scutter]

Admin has had everything from threats of lawsuits to threats of physical injury or worse Steve. Like I said, it took some real courage to keep the forums going. And, of course, Jim Cole claims to have not read the forums, however, he finds us "irritating and excessively negative." Funny thing that, I wonder how he finds us now that we are really taking a good hard look at him.

[stevecox]

I bet he sets new standards in nervous sweats. If those in power find out they are in the minority, and those in the majority find they can communicate with each other... uh oh.

[Scutter]

It is already coming to pass Steve and I can imagine how nervous Jim must be when he looks at our poll numbers on him. In addition, the local radio program has had some folks who are not our members call in who are critical of the job he is doing AND some of the members of the power base here are starting to question his actions or more specifically, his lack of action. Naw, I think if I were in his position I would be getting a bunch of resumes in the mail.

[stevecox]

So, what is Nervous Jim qualified to do? I guess he could always work at Tyson.

[Scutter]

One would initially think he would be looking for another job as a City Manager somewhere Steve, however, he is not qualified for that job anywhere but here in Neosho, go figure.

[stevecox]

I would suspect that someone who has roots in Neosho would seek different employment in the same town, rather than the same employment in a different town. I wouldn't worry too much, I am sure the "good ol' boy" network will find some sort of work for Jim to do.... unless it was a "use-em and lose-'em" agreement.

[Scutter]

Maybe he can be the station manager at KBTN Steve.

[stevecox]

Does he drink and chain smoke? If he does, he is qualified. What a great idea!

[Scutter]

I kind of thought you would like that one Steve. I am sure that Dave can find Jim a job somewhere. Hell I might even hire him, I need some day labor done. If he speaks Spanish, he will fit right in.

[stevecox]

Maybe he could get a job on the road repair crew....fixing potholes.

[Scutter]

Those potholes are not going to get fixed Steve, Jimmy says the city does not have the money to fix them. I guess that makes as much sense as anything else, if the crews are idle then Jimmy would fit right in.

[stevecox]

Haven't you ever been in a traffic jam.... where the lanes go from three, to two, to one. Then, finally, after an hour or so of stop-and-go nightmare.... you arrive at the road construction site. There you see a half dozen yellow-slickered workers ( the yellow to help you identify the workers, hopefully to keep you throwing things at them). Anyway, the workers are standing with cups of coffee or cans of soft drink, doing nothing but standing around watching the snarled traffic. Jim could be the foreman of that.

[Scutter]

Not a bit of it Steve, it takes leadership skills to be a foreman and we are talking about Jim Cole here.

[stevecox]

Oh, my bad. Maybe he could pose for a statue.

[Scutter]

That he could do.

[Scutter]

I heard a comment on KBTN this morning that sometimes the City Council does not know what the City Manager is doing. Now I can take that two ways and both of them are bad reflections on our city government. Hell, if they can't trust the guy to tell them exactly what is going on, then fire his tail and hire someone who will not think he is above control or direction.

[Iceman]

As I see it, we need to get rid of all these MORONS that think they know how to run a city. Hell they couldn't run the TP across my *** without screwing that up. The city crew would just stand there saying Duhhhh!!!. We are so lucky to have MORONIC DUMBASS'S to run crews that the crews don't whats up or down. I believe that's what COLE and his FLUNKIE OTTEN want. And while I'm at it, because of these two, especially that GOAT-ROPIN DRUG STORE COWBOY OTTEN, my basement has water in it again. Get your checkbook out otten, you S.O.?. you gonna buy my place. One way or the other. BET ON IT. I don't loose. What's the deal with our mayor?? Is he just a figure head? I wonder. We need to revamp this whole city political system. :think: That would be the way to go. AND, for all the wrong things that've been done, MAKE THESE IDIOTS IN OFFICE NOW, PAY THE PRICE IN FULL FOR ALL THEIR DOINGS.... City council included.. Iceman---

[Scutter]

and questioned the wisdom of our city administration and saying that the city needs to change that administration. In short, they are saying to fire Jim Cole. Now if the City Council Members do not listen to us (which I can understand) and they do not listen to the suggestions folks make on the call in talk show (which I do not understand), then just who in the hell do they listen to?

[shinobi]

They may be like HAL and just listen to the voices in their heads.:cool:

[Iceman]

Scutter, What time is that program on?? I wonder if the'd like to hear what I've got to say? I PROMISE TO BE NICE. Wrong!!!! I'm really getting fed up with this CRAP their feeding us. Iceman---

[Scutter]

1100 every day Monday to Friday Iceman. Why be nice, just be yourself.

[Iceman]

Scutter, Thank you for the compliment. But, at that time of the day I'm at work. But, I got great news. I talked to Buzz Ball this evening. I gave him some highlights about the flooding, and he'll be here tomorrow. I called the Mayor and BITCHED to him, and the flood debris is still here. As far as I'm concerned, Birdsong is a liar and a non-functioning mayor. A figurehead. Not worth a damn. He talks the talk but he sure can't walk the walk. WE NEED TO HAVE A BOSTON TEA PARTY FOR THESE LIARS. TAR AND FEATHER THEM. Everyone of them that runs a department in this city. :gun: HOW ABOUT FREE ADVERTISING????? That sounds good too. Iceman---

[Scutter]

Why do I get the impression that Jim Cole will not be using you as a referrence Iceman?

[Iceman]

Beats me. I thought I'd be the best one, or one of the best from this neighborhood to give out the WORD. Hey Bubba, we're on fire here. All of my neighbors on on the BANDWAGON. So's OTTEN rear is on the grill too. Which part did you say you wanted?????? Mr. Ball will be here tomorrow morning. Who knows, this might be the start of a new city government. I nominate Scutter for MAYOR. Iceman---

[Scutter]

Sorry Iceman, I am just passing through town, never intended to stay when I got here and still don't.

[Iceman]

Well folks, About 8:30 Friday morning, Buzz Ball was here with his camera and notepad. After he heard from me and two other neighbors, he said he would do some investigating into some of the dealings around here and get back to us. One thing I didn't know was there's a retaining pond between Industrial and Burr Crossing. He said that was supposed to control the flooding here. Well it don't. In fact, we get flooded worse now. When I contacted the Mayor, at his home, and told him of our plight, he also said that he'd do some checking. Apparently he did. That was on a wednesday evening. At 7:25 Thursday morning, a crew was here cleaning out the debris. He called me back and said that he'd had a talk with Jim Cole and Jamie Otten in his office about the way things were let go. I told him that I wanted to see those two down here cleaning out the debris, AND, the next time I got flooded, to make out the check for $71,900, to purchase my place. He told me he didn't think it would have to go that far. I told him time will tell. Mr Cole and Mr Otten DO NOT LIVE IN Neosho. They should have to live here if they hold an office in this town. I told this to the mayor and to Buzz Ball, as did my neighbors that were here. More later, Iceman---

[Dragonrider2024]

Give em hell Iceman.... Why don't you take Jim's job????

[Scutter]

He can't Dragon, Jim Cole ain't fired yet.

[Dragonrider2024]

In due time eh??? Hey Ice should Jim come down and clean (figure the odds tho) get some pics and post em!!! :D

[Scutter]

Work of any kind is beneath Jim Cole's dignity Dragon.

[Iceman]

I took a couple of pictures and Buzz Ball took some pictures, so, we'll see what happens. COLES pix is in the Sunday edition. Think I'll cut it out and copy it. One to scare the birds out of my garden, and the other to show everyone what a double-dealing dummy looks like, in case they've forgotten. He's forgotten that we here on the EAST side VOTE too. The ones that put him in office can eat enough HEAT to get rid of him. Oh yeh, it's been at least two or three months now, and I'm still waiting on that return phone call from JIM COLE. Guess I'll have to wait until HELL frezes over. WRONG. :gun: There is a few things that can be done to draw the HEAT to his job. :D I did get a chuckle out of the way he sidestepped the issues. He kinda skirted around them. As long as I was working in city government, I think I could do a better job. I know I could. The important things are to make the community safer and to get rid of things that makes it hazardous for our people. The trash and high water is very important here. You can't be for the rich, you have to be for he poor people here to. I'd venture to say, that there's a lot of prejudice there. The proof is in the pudding. A lot of alleys in this town are pitiful. A fire truck would have a helluva time getting down some of them. That's not right. Later all, Iceman---

[Scutter]

The Neosho Daily News article today was nothing more than a forum for Jim Cole to cover his own *** Iceman. There were no hard questions asked and no real answers given. Just more smoke and mirrors, a situation that we have had ever since the guy has been City Manager.

[Scutter]

go out and buy yourself a pair of gloves tonight and tomorrow morning get up and go work with a street crew patching a few of these pot holes. For what we are paying you, we might as well get some kind of work out of you.

[Iceman]

Well scutter, telling him that is like passing gas in a hurricane to hear yourself blow. That's what my dad used to say. He's just too damn LAZY to be a working boss, and IT doesn't care. I'm still waiting on my return phone call from IT. IT just seems to have NO CLASS or STYLE. So, what more can you say about a LOSER??? Iceman---

[Scutter]

Have you called Howard and given him a good "gripe out" about the incompetence and lack of concern on the part of his "employee" Jim Cole, Iceman? I know it ain't going to do any good but what we all need to do is start calling the Council Members and letting them know how dissatisfied we all are with their City Administration.

[Iceman]

No I haven't called them yet. I need to call ole Howie and see if he walked the ditch like he said he was going to do. That would be a good tome to refresh his memory about my neighbors previous gripes about Cole. I think it will just go in one ear and out the other one though. I need to talk to you and get the names and #s of the city council members. I don't know who they are. Later, Iceman---

[Scutter]

A step at a time Iceman. First we have to vote the Councilman whose name we can't remember off the Council and the following year we have to replace Howard. Maybe when we get rid of all those folks now there we will find a few people with the personal courage to fire Cole and start this city working again.

[Iceman]

How about voting all of them out? That would be the best way to go. Still need all their names though. Is the city council person paid for doing this, or is it for free? If you get paid for this, I think I might try to get voted in. But, that's in the future. Oh well, Later. Iceman---

[Scutter]

They are not paid Iceman, however, they are privy to a whole lot of information that the average citizen would not be aware of. If some of that information is used inappropriately then I guess it is just one of the perks of the position.

[shinobi]

The4 council members get $10.00 for attending a meeting last I was aware of. So it's not the money paid by the city that's the draw here. Must be the........... "other" benefits, like knowing you are taking care of the citizens needs..:rolleyes:

(or making sweetheart deals on the side):cool:

[Iceman]

Shinobi, I think you might have something there. Iceman--- By the way, Thank you for having me over the other day. I enjoyed myself immensely. Later.

[shinobi]

Hey, great to see you back on here Iceman, and you are quite welcome!

[Scutter]

You know, not one of the people on the City Council would accept the shabby performance of Jim Cole if he were an employee of theirs, but they keep accepting this level of incompetence for us. I really wish I knew what kind of an ace in the hole Cole has which he has used all these years to keep his job.

[Iceman]

I don't know for sure, but do you think he might be one of those good ole buddys from a few years back? :think: Or else he knows how to kiss _ _ _ better than anyone else does. YUK!!!!! Just a possible view point to consider. We need to change this whole government system we have in this town. That's one thing that's killing us. This good ole boy system we've got SUCKS big time. Later all, Iceman---

[LARRY]

Those ponds really worked when we go the 3.5 inches of rain good job cole!

Next time put them near the flow of water:(

[Scutter]

I don't know if the ponds actually filled up Larry but their construction has certainly changed the water flow. Thanks to this program there are places that now have water problems which have never had problems before. I will not say it was a good job, I will simply say it was a typical job for Neosho.

[LARRY]

Overlooken that there retention pond out my back window over by that there ford carlot I saw no major water in them ponds.
Me and my dog drove over by ther and saw that the gates were open now what the hell r them gates open 4 . It would better everyone if they would shutem.

[Scutter]

It seems that some folks from our neighbor to the west attended Neosho's event yesterday and their impression was less than complementary. If you would like to see what those folks really think of our fair city, I invite you to visit the public works section of Seneca Forums.com.

[lexi2]

Here you go, click and read, feel free to reply. There were also comments made from some Joplin people who were there....it was the Joplin people who told us NOT to go to the port a potty. They didn't have strong enough words or the stomach to describe the conditions. I thought Morris Park had bathrooms what the hell happened to them?

senecaforums (http://www.senecaforums.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=136)

[cityworker]

Not enough potties & too many peoples! Did the city know better or just didnt care?

[Iceman]

I don't know the reason for the problem at Morris Park except that, if Cole had brains, he'd take them out and PLAY with them. I was informed the other day that Jimbo would like to B-B-Q my *** from the problem or heat that I generated when interviewed by the Joplin Globe. All I can say is, if you think you're big enough cole, GO FOR IT. Dena, you did a great job. I sure do hope he's got a big enough smoker to cook this whole neighborhood. Of course there's one lady here that would like to get ahold of him, and she don't mince any words about him or otten. He does know how to give the POLITICAL BRUSHOFF lamebrain excuses though. He did learn something in office. Gee. By the way folks, this neighborhood got 5 inches of rain that time. All these rain guages don't lie. It was so bad, the fire dept wouldn't come down this street. I can't blame them. The water was so deep that a cut log from a good sized tree went down stream. It had to measure about 30" across. I still think we need to have a TAR AND FEATHER party for cole and otten. Later all, Iceman---

[Scutter]

Just one dumb question Iceman, did you all have these kinds of water flow problems before the city put in that retention pond, or have they been since the pond was installed? The reason I ask is that my area is now haveing water flow problems and we have never had any such problems in the past. Our problems seem to indicate that the city changed the water flow when they did put in the ponds.

As for Jim Cole threatening you Iceman, I wouldn't worry about that too much. The guy has never done anything right in his life so I would feel pretty comfortable in disregarding any threat he made against you. Hell the dork would probably end up going after the wrong person anyway. If he does persist in running his big mouth, you can always put him under a microscope and see just what secrets are in his closet.

[Iceman]

I've only had trhis water problem in the last year and a half or less. I've had this place 10 yrs. now. The first year, there was a lot of water, but I didn't get flooded. Now, I get flooded. Also, they've now been working on the west ramp of the south street overpass. Now, as far as Cole, I ain't worried about him. I've been threatened and promised that I'd be taken care of and I'm still around. No comment about the other parties. I've had better people try to make things hard on me and they didn't succed. Any way, I'm not worried about him or the rest of them. What can liars do? Not much of anything. Later, Iceman---

[Scutter]

Another really dumb question Iceman, do you have the elevation certificates of your property? And if you do, what are your minimum and maximum elevations?

[Iceman]

Scutter, no question is a really dumb question. I'm sorry ole buddy, but I don't know the elevations here. How would I find out? My abstract is with the lender on this place. This place has been surveyed twice, but I never got any paper work on it that I know of. I didn't pay to have it done. I came home and they were surveying it. That was quite awhile back. I don't remember who or when. Iceman---

[Scutter]

The best way is to have a local surveyor take elevation readings and issue you the certificates. The other way is to get hold of one of the Corps of Engineers maps of the hundred year flood plain here in Neosho (it is also in computer format). The thing that I am getting at is best not discussed on the board so we will talk about it at the next meeting.

[Iceman]

Well folks, I don't how it happened, but yesterday afternoon, the Mayor was done here surveying the water problem and cole showed up. Now, I get to find out how good a "political liar" he is. He did agree that the bridge that otten put in was wrong and he did state that it would be replaced. But, he didn't say when and he wouldn't be pinned down on a date for the replacment. We did find out that the city is responisible for the cleaning and mowing of the ditch, and again no definate time frame as to when the city would clean out the ditch and keep it clean. They did see the debris that was in there and creating a problem. Also pictures of the flooding were being taken. I have a neighbor that has videos of the floods also. He told the mayor and cole that. A lot of other things like the golf course, the cave, and other things came up also. Like using trustees to help out the city with clean up. Apparently the sheriff has something to do about that as he runs the jail. It was brought up that other counties and cities do it, but doerge doesn't like it. Something smells fishy there. :think: Anyhow, I believe it's time for a petition to be drawn up and passed around to be signed. :woot: Iceman---

[Scutter]

Haven't you heard Iceman, the City has been so busy buying up private property that they do not have any money left to take care of minor problems, such as the east side of town flooding out. We have the same problem here on the west side now that the retention ponds have been built and changed the water flow. Places which never had a flooding problem now have one and School Branch is now running about thirty to thirty-five percent more water flow than it has historically carried. Have to really appreciate all that city planning.

[Iceman]

The other day, Cole and Birdsong said to us that the city is supposed to keep these ditches clear. Guess I'll quit mowing mine and see how they LIE. :mad: :gun: Iceman--- I also got your pm. Thank you. It'll help. Iceman---

[Scutter]

I honestly have to say that the city does mow some ditches. In fact I believe they mowed the School Branch ditch five or six years ago Iceman.

[LARRY]

i use to live on young street and we could float on a raft at the south end of the street near grant every time it rains. They still promise to fix that spot on the road of course that was 25 years ago.

[Iceman]

GEEEZ, will wonders never cease. This ditch over here got weedeated the other day. There was two guys down in the ditch getting after that. The damn thing was choked up with weeds about 5ft tall at the north end. Cole told us that it was the cities property and they will take care of it. Wwell it was done. BUT, I'll bet it don't get done again. I'll bet you. I still think he's not capable of doing the job. I DON"T TRUST HIM AT ALL, AND FOR THAT MATTER, NONE OF THEM AT CITY HALL. Iceman---

[Scutter]

Well mark the date on your calendar Iceman and we will see when they get around to working that ditch again. I have to tell you that if the School Branch ditch is any indication, you will not see them in your ditch for a few years.

[LARRY]

Originally posted by Iceman
GEEEZ, will wonders never cease. This ditch over here got weedeated the other day. There was two guys down in the ditch getting after that. The damn thing was choked up with weeds about 5ft tall at the north end. Cole told us that it was the cities property and they will take care of it. Wwell it was done. BUT, I'll bet it don't get done again. I'll bet you. I still think he's not capable of doing the job. I DON"T TRUST HIM AT ALL, AND FOR THAT MATTER, NONE OF THEM AT CITY HALL. Iceman--- Its team work iceman you call and they fix it "welcome to neosho" support our leaders they are looking after our best interests for the future this is what i have been told.

[cityworker]

Originally posted by admin
We want to know why you think Jim Cole has got to go! Don't hold back, let us know what you think about Mr. Cole!

If we have enough reasons maybe we can print them on a flyer and mail a couple of hundred to residents in Neosho why Jim has got to go, sponsored by NeoshoForums.com?

I say good riddance cole!

[Scutter]

City Worker, we know you cannot put your job at risk by signing one of the petitions to the City Council to fire Cole, however, your feelings are pretty common among the city workers that I have talked to recently. Cole will be leaving and it is not going to be all that long in coming because he has lost faith with the citizens of Neosho and our City Council will shortly come to realize that.

[Iceman]

I assume that cole can read, and if so, YOU'D BETTER START LOOKING FOR ANOTHER JOB. I feel that he's not doing what's best for the people of Neosho. I only want the people to get their moneys worth for the taxes they pay. In my opinion, THEY AIN'T GETTING IT. I've worked around governments before, and I've seen alot, BUT, this takes the cake. We definatly need a better system here in town. The way we're going now, ain't right. I'd sure like to get a C.P.A. to go over the books. There's things that I read about that's for the city, but after a few months, you still don't hear about what that money was intended for. The project or money is silent. We need someone that will do us right. One that has the knowledge and smarts to do the job along with COMMON SENSE. And I sure don't see that with cole. Iceman---

[LARRY]

Rob Peter to PAY JIM! this is all to familair.

[Scutter]

You all really want a good indicator as to how Jim Cole works, drop down to RANDOM BABBLING and read the thread concerning the NEOSHO CITY AUDIT. Trust me it is quite eye opening.

[Scutter]

Today on the McCormack Files, two ladies and one gentleman expressed the opinion that it was time for Jim Cole to be replaced. John even implied as much, although he can't express a forceful opinion due to his wife being on the City Council. I assume sometime in the next hundred years or so, the Council will awaken to the fact that this guy is a waste of a paycheck and give us citizens some relief by allowing Jim to go help some other town.

[LARRY]

I wonder if J--ns wife recieved a copy of the questions before the show. That is when she ran for council?

[Scutter]

At this point it just does not matter Larry. Point in fact is that we have to replace these folks as they come up for election until we find somebody who will take a long objective look at Jim Cole's performance in that office and put the welfare of the city ahead of the welfare of Jim. I did not choose the word welfare lightly.

[LARRY]

That mccormick lady spoke in favor of getting rid of cole before elected what has happened to her word she gave all of us she would take care of the problem just another lie.

[Scutter]

Sorry Larry but that seems to be a trend around this town. All we can do is vote out any incumbent Council Member who runs for reelection until we finally get somebody into the office who will put the people ahead of Jim Cole.

[Iceman]

Well folks, I got a surprise when I got back into town. The DITCH was weedeated again. But now there's another problem. There's a water leak under the street and they patched the hole in the street, BUT, the water found its way into the ditch under a bridge and it's full of MOSQUITOS. After sunset, you don't dare go outside. You are on their menu. This can also possibly contaminate our water supply on down the line. Not a good thing. I was informed by a neighbor that he asked the guys that weedeated the ditch to report it and they said they were seasonal workers. He called COLE and he has yet to return the phone call. FIGURES...... No COMMUNICATION at city hall. I kinda got caught up on some of the things going on at city hall, and I still don't believe what they say. ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS. They can talk the talk but they can't walk the walk. :gun: :woot: :peace: Iceman---

[Scutter]

I have lived in a lot of towns of similar size to Neosho Iceman and they all have provided services that just do not happen here and that included mosquito fogging. Hell one town (smaller) had a very good city zoo and one (same size) had a municipal skating rink. Both of these towns had country clubs, however, so they did not have to support a city golf course.

[Littleone]

We even get mosquito fogging in Seneca....and we're alot smaller that you, Scutter.

[BEFAIR]

SENECA DOESN'T HAVE A GOLF COURSE TO SUPPORT.

[Scutter]

I saw the qualifications of the four finalists for the job of City Manager up in Joplin in the Globe today. It kind of made me wonder why Neosho would accept an City Manager who had none of that kind of qualification to be the City Manager here. It ain't like we do not pay a comparitive salary and benefit package. I guess what I am really asking is how we ended up with Jim Cole in that job and if, when the City Council finally decides to fire and replace him, will they search among the burger flippers at the fast food joints or hire a real City Manager?

[LARRY]

Thats two bad because if they were looking for donut makers ron might have a job to go to after jan 1st.

[Scutter]

Sorry Larry but we really do not want any more unqualified people holding these jobs just because they happen to be in the "good old boy's network". It is time to get a real City Manager who knows what to do and has a strong work ethic, something we do not have now.

[Scutter]

Well hidden in the Council Notes in the paper last week was a comment that the Neosho City Budget would have a shortfall of two million dollars this year. If I remember correctly it simply said that our revenues would be twelve million dollars and our expenditures would be fourteen million dollars. Now, the City Fathers are crying about the voters turning down a tax increase of two hundred twenty thousand dollars and they have managed to put us into a two million dollar hole. What is most surprising is that this revelation comes at a time when the sales tax receipts for the City Sales Tax are at record high levels. I guess I must have missed something along the line but this does not sound like competent fiscal management to me.

[Pebbles]

One of the reasons they are in the hole was because one of the so called "City Fathers" said to keep spending when the sales tax was down. This happened at last years budget meetings. They were sure the sales tax revenue would increase over the course of the year. I don't think it happened.

Thanks for the insight.

[Scutter]

Actually I think the sales tax revenues did increase Pebbles, just not to an extent to cover the spending levels of the City Administration. You know, more than the rest of us, the cost of some of the asinine things they wrote city checks for. It is great that people dream on a grand scale, as long as they temper that dreaming with the realities of maintaining a city and it's service levels and do not put future generations in debt for a dream that was never theirs.

[Scutter]

Rather than force Jim Cole to do his damned job and fix the problems with our water supply network which allows almost forty percent of that processed water to run into the ground, the City Council instead put yet another burden on the customers of the City water system. Yep, for the eighth straight year they raised our water and sewer rate and Jim Cole got yet another pass on having to do his job. I have to wonder just what in the hell it is going to take for those people on the City Council to get rid of this do nothing City Manager. Just goes to show that when it comes to making a decision between the City Manager and the People who pay the City bills, the City Manager is the Council's choice.

[Iceman]

Well it just makes you wonder. I've heard that Cole probably has something over the council. Is that called JOB SECURITY??? It does make one wonder. I've heard it numerous times. I know that there 's some very unhappy folks on this side of town. I know that one couple that was in the buyout, held out to get the price they wanted and they got it. They're very happy and richer. They admit the property wasn't worth what they got for it. They packed up and moved away laughing, and richer. Iceman---

[Scutter]

You all really need to read the letters to the editor in today's Daily. It seems that a couple of people took exception to some of the lies that Jim Cole has been feeding the people and he has just been caught in yet another couple of big lies, and yeah, they involve money as usual.

[Aquabot]

Can you paraphrase? Unfortunately, the Letters to the Editor are not on the website.

Thanks!

[Scutter]

Basically the letters are from two former members of the City Airport Board, and made note of the following statements of Jim Cole. "He stated that the new sign was built lower for the safety of aircraft coming in for a landing. The sign is nearly half a mile from the runway and a 20 foot sign is certainly no problem. He did not mention the 200 foot telephone tower just across the road which poses a real threat to safety, especially in adverse weather conditions."

It continues: "The statement of using the $3800 insurance money on the new sign is really a poor, empty joke. The money was received shortly after the storm in 2001 and was put into the general fund and spent a long time ago. In fact the "new" sign was donated as was most of the work. The lettering, painting and lighting certainly are new and had to be paid but to imply that the insurance money was used is a far stretch."

And the best: "As a member of the last airport board, we discovered that a sizable amount of rent for airport property was being paid to a non-eligible entity. The repercussion of that discovery was that the airport board was disbanded to prevent further embarassment. Perhaps they used some of that money on the new sign."

It really is time to get rid of Jim Cole people.

[Aquabot]

Nice! Did you happen to see the article about the Golf Course in the Joplin Globe. Look's like Neosho's crown jewel is losing more money again this year (due to bad weather over the July the 4th of course!!).

[Scutter]

Well Aquabot, look how long it took to get them to admit that they were losing money on that damned place. Remember it was always "paying it's own way" until Haas made the slip of admitting how much debt service they were paying on the place last year and they had to go public with the admission that they were losing money on it. Of course this year, according to Birdsong, it is merely a hiccough. I guess he is right, I mean that is only a hundred and fifty thousand dollar loss since we got the new guy out there and the bills ain't even in yet for the maintenance mess up with the computerized greens watering system. I doubt anyone would have even said anything about the loss if they weren't trying to cover their sixes for the decrease in play volume.

[Iceman]

AS for the cow pasture pool crowd, they should've kept the weed patch ( maryjane) . I hear that it's a good income. Now that's what I call LOST REVENUE. Iceman--- :D :woot:

[gilbert]

I'm with you guys on getting rid of Jim Cole. I've been reading this for awhile and I agree with you all 100%. Let me know how I can help assist you in your endevours. I think we should go to a council meeting and demand some action. The golf course is a joke.

[Iceman]

WELCOME to the forums gilbert. If you live in town and want to help, contact one of us and sugn the petition. The more the merrier. Iceman--- :)

[gilbert]

Thanks Iceman. I won't be back to the forums until some members settle down but you guys can contact me at gilbert@outgun.com. I'll be happy to help. I don't want any nasty mail from momof2 and if I get any I will report it. Thanks guys and best of luck.

[olderandwiser]

where do I sign?

[Scutter]

is that both the employee and the employer have stated obligations and they have stated expectations. Failure to perform results in termination of that contract and the best part of having a contract is that it requires a performance review upon a time basis to be renewed. It seems strange to me that Jim Cole is the only City Manager in South West Missouri who is employed without a contract. If the City Council is really serious about keeping this guy, just maybe it is time to set him up on a yearly contract so he can be terminated unless he goes to work.

[lexi2]

Without a contract there's nothing for Cole to fall back on if the city finally tells him to hit the road.....not having a contract can be a plus. If he has a contract do you have to wait 6mos or a yr to evaluate his job performance or lack of?

[Scutter]

Lexi, it is obvious that our City Council is more than willing to put up with Jim Cole's lack of performance, lies, half truths and insolent attitude toward the citizens of Neosho now and do not seem to be inclined to terminate him. I guess the only reason I am advocating that they give him a contract (I want him fired but they ain't about to do that) is to at least give the City Council members that we do elect in the future an excuse to fire this piece of dead wood because he ain't going to change or do his job whether he has a contract or not.

[lexi2]

I can understand your point Scutter.

[Scutter]

opens at 0800 this Tuesday, 19 October. We have got to get some folks engaged in this election to unseat the "guy whose name we can never remember" and need to get an early start on it so that we can get all the names on the filing petition prior to the election. Remember, we are looking for somebody who will vote to fire Jim Cole and is in favor of changing this town to a Ward System of government.

[Scutter]

that they are willing to run for City Council in April. I would be willing to bet that the Birdsong/Cole hold on this town is about to come to an end.

[Scutter]

we have not forgotten about you and are still resolved to put you out of our lives. Just as soon as this issue with Ron Doerge is resolved, we will certainly focus our attention back upon you and the job you are not doing for we the people.

[Scutter]

Yep, that is what this next year is going to be for you Jim Cole, because we the people are sick and tired of your lack of response to our problems and your little tin god attitude. You are going to go away Jim and we the people are going to do whatever we have to do which will insure that you do go away.

[stevecox]

Omigosh! I came down to Neosho for a day last week, to meet my brother for lunch. I was astonished that the streets were in such horrible shape! Good luck to the ones running for city council.... I hope you make it. Someone needs to do something about the roads there. There were places I could not tell the street from the surrounding terrain. How can the people of Neosho tolerate that>?

[Scutter]

Steve and at the height of that betrayal is their stubborn refusal to fire Jim Cole who is personally responsible for the shape the streets have been in for the last decade. By the way, good to see you back.

[stevecox]

I can't believe the people tolerate this. Maybe I should come back and be KBTN News Director. I would stir some things up! (As long as Dave W is gone, the place should be ok)

[Scutter]

At the very least the people of Neosho are sheep and deserve every pot hole Jim Cole has left for them. I used to think that the people here were just unaware of how badly the streets were in need of attention Steve, but they know and they continue to allow the most worthless City Manager in the history of this town to draw a paycheck so I guess they pretty well deserve to have their wheels fall off.

[john]

I believe alot of "us people" are aware, but due to inaction and perhaps a belief that the best interest of the citizens are in the hearts and minds of the city council., the roads and other city infrastructure are now severly degraded.

[stevecox]

I suspect that the people of Neosho are so accustomed to the terrible road conditions that they are acclimated to it, in much the same way that the citizens of northern Alaska are acclimated to the cold. They are just used to seeing it. But, just as an Alaska citizen coming to Missouri from Alaska would say "wow, its warm here', a person travelling from, say, Kansas City would say "wow, look at all the holes". I was particularly alarmed when I observed the preseved body of a mastadon in one of the potholes that I peered into.

[Scutter]

It is not unusual for a dead animal to lay in one of our streets for over a month Steve. In fact there is a dead animal that has laid in South Street for twenty plus days that I know of, and that is one of our most heavily travelled streets. It would appear that our City Manager has been diverting funding from the streets for years to do such great and glorious things as a dig in the park in search of a cave and other equally important things which will, of course, be of greater import to the city than passable streets would ever be.

[john]

I am not able to find an email address for Jim Cole on the City of Neosho web page? I find it unusual, since everyone else seems to have one.

[Scutter]

That is not unusual for him at all John. If he had a published e-mail address then he would have to duck his e-mails as well as his telephone calls.

[john]

yes, that seems to be true. I have tried calling, and was going to attempt an email.

[Scutter]

The only way you are going to see Jim Cole is to go down to City Hall and plant yourself in the lobby and wait for him to come back from where ever the hell he goes to each day. Of couse you need to plan on making a day or three out of the exercise because if Jim knows you are waiting for him, he will find any number of excuses not to return to City Hall.

[stevecox]

Why don't you go en masse to the next city council meeting and confront him? That way, it will get publicity and you will get to have your say.

[Just Me]

Still looking for Jim Cole's email address but in the mean time...here's Gib Garrows if anyone would like to have it...
gib@neoshocc.com

[Scutter]

I can't imagine why anyone would want to talk to Gib about anything Just Me, after all, he is just another person who does as he is told. Steve, a confrontation with the Council is not going to achieve anything at this point because they are simply going to do as Birdsong tells them. At the point in time when we are ready to make the confrontation we have to be armed with a set of signed petitions which will force them to listen.

[Just Me]

Thought I'd just post it anyway...:D I'm waiting on an email from a friend of mine who just might know Lil Jimmie's email address...but it may be this afternoon before I get it...and if I do...it will be posted....

[john]

I wasn't able to attend the meeting due to a death in the family. I am supportive of this change in government system and believe that it could only benefit Neosho. I guess the best thing for me to do, is meet with a few of you sometime and colloborate a little and find something for me to do. Anyway, I am glad to see this dialogue going somewhere and I am ready for action

[Scutter]

Sorry to hear of your loss John. Yesterday's meeting was simply a charting of our course and I think we are pretty well set at least in our ideas of what has to happen and when. What we are looking for now are a few forum members who are willing to devote some time and energy in making this idea become an accomplished fact. If and when we have some members who are willing to serve on a committee to address this issue, we will be holding an organizational meeting to discuss form, function and required funding.

[Tincan]

Would this be open to those who are not members of the forum but active readers?

[Scutter]

It will be open to anyone who wants to change the system of government in this town Tincan.

[Scutter]

The next meeting will be held this Sunday, March 13th at 1400 hours (2 pm) at the Office located on the north west corner of the Square.

[Scutter]

For all this time, I really thought the Council had some control over Jim Cole but I have finally come to the conclusion that they cannot control him. He is lying to them every bit as much as he is lying to us and they have not got a clue as to what they have to do to force the guy to do his job. Of course we could tell them how to do that but Howard would never welcome the input.

[Iceman]

It's that time of the year again, and the damn ditch is full of weeds. Soon, you won't be able to see my place from the pothole street. I think I might dump some old oil in the ditch and burn them damn weeds out. :mad: And, by the way, that bridge still hasn't been replaced with a free-span bridge that was promised. Cole was just lieing then and he always will. He just doesn't know how to tell the truth. I've been asked lately about the petition that was signed by numerous people to have this incompitent liar removed. This should come up at the next meeting. :think: Iceman---

[john]

is the replace the members of the council with ones that will..

an ideal candidate:

will call to replace Cole and designate that his replacement will also manage the golf course such as suggested by the audit.

stand firm till a comprehensive road plan is agreed upon and put into place

put pressure on the school board to come up with a realistic proprosal to fix the school situation...i.e.

1. New High School 10-12

2. current high school becomes junior high 7-9

3. build addition to middle school to hold 4-6

4. Build a new early childhood center for preschool and kindergarten

5. reinstitue and add to field as a neighborhood school for 1-3 as well as the others.

demand that independent appraisals be sought for all monies by the city



less closed meetings

investigate the missing water fully no matter who gets stepped on

and generally tell the truth about what money is needed and what it will be used for.

listen to the residents of the city as a whole rather than a select few.

[Scutter]

I will settle for a candidate who recognizes the damage Jim Cole has done to this town John, and will vote to remove Jim from the job of City Manager. I guess though, even more important than that, the thing that will be most necessary for this town to realize it's potential is a change of the form of government here. It really is time to go back to the Ward System of Representation as that is the only way we are going to avoid disenfranchised citizens, as I believe our citizens on the North End and East Side of town are now.

[Iceman]

John, you sound like the IDEAL CANDIDATE. You need to get elected. :) Iceman---

[joetowngirl]

I agree that Jim Cole should go.

But I will not vote for new schools. I have children in school and sorry but I don't think schools are necessary.

Education is much more than new buildings. I support hiring more intelligent teachers who might actually teach our children instead of some of the current staff.

[Scutter]

Actually education is not a city issue and the City Council takes it's direction from the School Administration whenever there is an education type issue, such as the painting of the Confederate Battle Flag on Senior Hill a couple of years ago.

[john]

Please check out the thread on www.whatwouldkevindo.com about Kevin's stance on the funding issue and click the links from DESE...you will see that we in our district aren't doing enough ourselves to include teacher recruitment and retention. Yes, education is more than buildings, but the overall concept is to create smaller, better neighborhood schools...instead of housing our students in trailers

[Scutter]

Let's not dilute the popular feeling that Jim Cole needs to be fired by addressing other topics on this thread guys. Jim Cole has done nothing but let this town rust down around him and we absolutely have got to get rid of the guy. While I agree with you John, the complete thread on that subject is under Education, topic is Parking.

[Tincan]

Recently, I have spoken with several business owners in Neosho and they would love to see Jim Cole..'outta here!!! Now, I am not talking about small business owners, these are prominent people who would like advise on a legal method for removal.
I say, just do not renew his contract and hire someone that lives in Neosho that has Neosho's best interest at heart.

[Scutter]

He serves at the pleasure of the City Council and can be removed at any time for any reason, or even without any reason. Don't let Howard Birdsong do a song and dance on you, Jim Cole is there strictly because the City Council does not have the moral courage to remove him.

[neosho-ite]

you can't please some of the people at all. At least Jim Cole is actually working, while you all sit around and complain and watch everything go on around you. By the way, thanks electing Persinger; game, set, match.

[LARRY]

Hey chitbag is your brother Martin or Jim.

[Scutter]

Welcome to the forums Chitbag, and where have you been the last decade or so? It certainly has not been in Neosho if you believe that Jim Cole has ever done his job.

[neosho-ite]

for the kind welcome. I have been a long time resident, so I am well aware of the good work that mister Cole does as well as the council. I do have to thank you guys, though. For without you, we probably would have lavendar on the council and Persinger is far more easier to control.

[Scutter]

Well Chitbag, all I can say is that we have far too many religious extremists here and did not need one on the Council. I do believe that if you think you have our new Councilman in your pocket, I fear you may be in for a very rude awakening in relatively short order.

[Scutter]

I really question the point that Chitbag brought up about control. The reason that I do is that I have long heard that the City Council could not control Jim Cole and that he was very adept at hiding information from the Council.

[Iceman]

I was just re-reading some of the posts on here, and I got the distinct impression that Chitbag is in favor of cole. This raises some questions. You're probably related to cole / you are cole / you are being paid by cole / or you believe all the B S from him and are awe struck by him and see him as your hero. Poor kid. In my opinion, you don't know much. I really feel sorry for you. Iceman ---

[Scutter]

Iceman, you know there are still a few people in town who think Jim Cole is doing his job. Of course, those are only the people who sit on the City Council and John McCormack but then, I guess that is all Jim needs to keep his job.

[Iceman]

Yeh, I know. He pulled a snow job on them. All I can say to them is " HELLO SUCKER " Iceman ---

[Scutter]

They know what he is just as we do Iceman. It is simply a matter of taking the "path of least resistance" in keeping him as to fire him now would require an act of political courage on their part. Nobody wants to admit that they have been remiss in doing their job and it is the same with the council.

[lexi2]

I thought I'd pop this thread up for old times sake....:D

[Scutter]

Thank you Lexi, I appreciate the walk down memory lane. The City may not quite be finished with Jim Cole just yet however, because some issues are just now beginning to surface which Jim Cole may be able to explain and explainations may be required.

[LARRY]

Clue us in Scutter are we talkin the "Flowerboxdollars missin"?

[Scutter]

Nope, we are talking TNG here Larry.

[admin]

If this story doesn't break in the next week I'm shutting down the forums for good...

[red]

Okay Admin.....why are we being punished for the story not breaking? Is there any way we can make it happen????????? H*ll at this point I'm not really sure what it is and what's going on....PM me and let me know the scoop....if there's a will there's a way;)

[Scutter]

Don't worry Red. If the story does not make the media by Tuesday morning, Admin will have some interesting documents in his hot little hands by Tuesday afternoon.